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We Need to Talk About Covid, Part 2: A Conversation with Dr. Fauci


America feels as if it might be at a turning point in how we think about and respond to the pandemic. There is universal vaccine access and we’re facing a variant — Omicron — that is meaningfully milder than its predecessors. The costs of our current approach in areas like children’s education and mental health are becoming high.

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Yet the United States is also still in the midst of a crisis — thousands of people are in hospital and dying every day.

In the second part of our exploration of the state of the pandemic, we speak with Dr. Anthony Fauci about the conditions under which we could learn to live with the virus and what the next stage of the pandemic may look like.


Cheriss May for The New York Times

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